At least you know for next time, I guess. If you don't have access to your existing mixes at all, you still have the stream route. Though I don't see why you wouldn't have access to them and it's not like you're short of mixes to use with 5000 tracks if you do.

Speaking of legality however, I imagine IMVU are fully covered. If the terms are at all similar to those for credits and other products you purchase, you're essentially buying a license to use those things. Which also means if you're ever banned or IMVU shuts down and you lose all of your stuff, they're under no obligation to reimburse you for the stuff. A lot of digital media follows that same TOS or EULA these days. Frankly, I don't agree with it when it comes to certain media you've paid for. But I can agree with waiving that ownership if you're banned of your own accord, or if the service shuts down. It's contextual, granted, but in IMVU's case I wouldn't expect them to reimburse a penny if they suddenly decided to shut things down tomorrow, as devastated as I'd be.

If I had to guess, I'd assume it's the same type of deal with the music store. You can no longer purchase it or access certain parts of it due to a change in license agreement. Though I really don't see any reason why users shouldn't be able to use the music they already own to the same extent. If they (and you) can't, it's purely down to legality and would've been in their ToS -- it's not so different from Rockstar removing certain music tracks from some of their games due to expired licenses, despite people having already bought the game(s) as-is. Ultimately it sucks and it isn't morally right, but it is nonetheless a right they have -- or don't have, in the case of expired agreements.

your not getting the point. now the store and all are purchases tomorrow are mixes.. there stealing from us.doesnt matter if its a few songs or 1000's we bought them and they stole them. its simple as that..

I understand your original point perfectly; you can no longer buy music for playlists and/or access the music you already bought. (I assume you can still play mixes you've already made, but might be wrong.) But I don't really follow what you're saying here. Honestly, English is not my first language so I find some of your posts pretty hard to read, so I may be missing something. Or there's been context left out.

That being said, if your gripe is that you can't buy new songs, or that you can no longer use the ones you bought it isn't technically stealing. As I eluded to, I don't agree with them doing it and screwing people over. But:

1. It would've been written in their TOS or EULA that you do not own those songs, only the temporary license to them. If that license expired, even on their end, that is simply your loss and part of the agreement. It sucks, but it's a fairly standard M.O. for companies using digital media, especially these days. (Look into Ubisoft and how they handled The Crew if you want a far more egregious example of a company taking people's money, then revoking access to what they payed for.)
2. You decided to buy a metric ton of music on there. That's ultimately your own prerogative. You know IMVU isn't going to last forever, so it's not like you'd get a copy of all that music for private use when they end things. You could've saved yourself the money by setting up a music stream instead to share your mixes with people. It's just how the dominoes fall.

It's morally wrong what they're doing, but it is completely legal - it isn't stealing (technically), just a fairly atypical business practice for digital media. iTunes is exactly the same; if it suddenly shut down, you'd have no right to reimbursement, despite no longer having access to the media you payed for. It sucks, but it's a standard licensing agreement for that kind of media.

technically !!?? technically !!????. LOL morally ???your going with that? thats like saying himmler didnt kill anyone because he didnt turn the knob on the gas chamber,,, any purchase be it music or the rights to play or a license. haves a vaule and if you deny the purchasers right to use said itemthey should get whole or part of there investment back

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Auspicious K wrote:

I understand your original point perfectly; you can no longer buy music for playlists and/or access the music you already bought. (I assume you can still play mixes you've already made, but might be wrong.) But I don't really follow what you're saying here. Honestly, English is not my first language so I find some of your posts pretty hard to read, so I may be missing something. Or there's been context left out.That being said, if your gripe is that you can't buy new songs, or that you can no longer use the ones you bought it isn't technically stealing. As I eluded to, I don't agree with them doing it and screwing people over. But:1. It would've been written in their TOS or EULA that you do not own those songs, only the temporary license to them. If that license expired, even on their end, that is simply your loss and part of the agreement. It sucks, but it's a fairly standard M.O. for companies using digital media, especially these days. (Look into Ubisoft and how they handled The Crew if you want a far more egregious example of a company taking people's money, then revoking access to what they payed for.)
2. You decided to buy a metric ton of music on there. That's ultimately your own prerogative. You know IMVU isn't going to last forever, so it's not like you'd get a copy of all that music for private use when they end things. You could've saved yourself the money by setting up a music stream instead to share your mixes with people. It's just how the dominoes fall.It's morally wrong what they're doing, but it is completely legal - it isn't stealing (technically), just a fairly atypical business practice for digital media. iTunes is exactly the same; if it suddenly shut down, you'd have no right to reimbursement, despite no longer having access to the media you payed for. It sucks, but it's a standard licensing agreement for that kind of media.

and 2. what i do with my money is none of your dam bizz if i want 5k in songs i get 5 k in songs. in rl i hve 1000's of records tapes, 8 tracks reel to reels . you going to get snippy about that too. how dare you judge what i buy or not buy.what you think your some kind of super humam able to judge all beneath you?? well your not. and just because you have given upto imvu or any company doesnt mean i will to.. you just want to bend over and take it do so.. me im going to fight.

nightmarechild wrote:

technically !!?? technically !!????. LOL morally ???your going with that? thats like saying himmler didnt kill anyone because he didnt turn the knob on the gas chamber,,, any purchase be it musicor the rights to play or a license. haves a vaule and if you deny the purchasers right to use said itemthey should get whole or part of there investment back-- Tue Apr 29, 2025 7:41 pm -- Auspicious K wrote:I understand your original point perfectly; you can no longer buy music for playlists and/or access the music you already bought. (I assume you can still play mixes you've already made, but might be wrong.) But I don't really follow what you're saying here. Honestly, English is not my first language so I find some of your posts pretty hard to read, so I may be missing something. Or there's been context left out.That being said, if your gripe is that you can't buy new songs, or that you can no longer use the ones you bought it isn't technically stealing. As I eluded to, I don't agree with them doing it and screwing people over. But:1. It would've been written in their TOS or EULA that you do not own those songs, only the temporary license to them. If that license expired, even on their end, that is simply your loss and part of the agreement. It sucks, but it's a fairly standard M.O. for companies using digital media, especially these days. (Look into Ubisoft and how they handled The Crew if you want a far more egregious example of a company taking people's money, then revoking access to what they payed for.)
2. You decided to buy a metric ton of music on there. That's ultimately your own prerogative. You know IMVU isn't going to last forever, so it's not like you'd get a copy of all that music for private use when they end things. You could've saved yourself the money by setting up a music stream instead to share your mixes with people. It's just how the dominoes fall.It's morally wrong what they're doing, but it is completely legal - it isn't stealing (technically), just a fairly atypical business practice for digital media. iTunes is exactly the same; if it suddenly shut down, you'd have no right to reimbursement, despite no longer having access to the media you payed for. It sucks, but it's a standard licensing agreement for that kind of media.
@Auspicious Kand 2. what i do with my money is none of your dambizz if i want 5k in songs i get 5 k in songs. in rl i hve 1000's of records tapes, 8 tracks reel to reels . you going to get snippy about that too. how dare you judge what i buy or not buy.what you think your some kind of super humam able to judge all beneath you?? well your not. and just because you have given upto imvu or any company doesnt mean i will to.. you just want to bend over and take it do so.. me im going to fight.

Just calm down, no need to be rude about it. was just giving you a insight about how things work today. It is shady the whole thing of selling a license to use a product which can be revoked at anytime instead of selling the product itself. However, like it was mentioned in her/his post, They wrote the TOS and the moment that you bought those musics, you agreed to play on their rules. The only solution to it would be to not support scum practices and not buy it.

It's times like these that I feel thankful that Don and DataMine actually places the customer first with more than fair prices for what they sell instead of going through scummy business practices like I feel most companies are doing it these days.

Yes. Poor and odd analogy aside (if you know history), that isn't how the law and licenses work. You are paying for the license to use said product, meaning it's essentially rented. What you own is a license to use said product, not the product itself. (The original artist and their partners own the product, in the case of music.) I'm not the best at explaining things, but I don't think I could explain it any better than I have. It's factual and you'd probably have to read up on it more yourself, or read the actual TOS and EULA if you want a better explanation. Just be prepared for a lot of corporate and legal jargon; I've tried to my best to omit all of that. They aren't stealing from you, not as far as the law in concerned. Does that make it right? No. It's a scummy thing to do, but something they're both within their rights to do, or something they're forced to do because their own licenses have expired.

I understand your frustrations, they're absolutely just. I'd be equally gutted and pissed off if all the money I'd put into IMVU was suddenly for nothing because they shut it down ..but that's just how the cookie crumbles and a possibility I'm acutely aware of. Doubly-so with how pronounce digital media is these days. You own a license; a permission to use things. Not the actual thing. It's kind of shitty, but it's the world we live in.

This being said, I'd advise not taking things so personally. It's a prime example of what I meant in previous posts about people being easily offended and overreacting on a whim. If you don't agree with me, or the factual information I've provided, I can totally respect that. I couldn't care less what you spend your money on; it's yours to with as you wish, just as I no doubt buy things other people would think are stupid. That might be extra relevant considering I collect CD's and vinyl. However it's still your prerogative if you spent a lot of money, but didn't read (or don't understand) the terms and agreement. Without sounding a broken record: It sucks, I don't agree with it. But it happens. However, you did post all of this on a semi-public forum, which by extension makes it the business of everyone here. People are going to have varied opinions on it, whether you like them or not. While I'm not judging, I do think you're being a little belligerent about the situation. It isn't about "fighting". A terms of service and license agreement is just that - something you agreed to and why I've provided the relevant explanations on them. Though I would urge you to hire a solicitor and form a suit against IMVU if you really feel that strongly about it and you actually mean what you say. "I don't like it" isn't a just cause as far as the law or IMVU are concerned. I already suggested contacting IMVU directly about a reimbursement if you feel so strongly - something you seem to oppose and already suggested wouldn't be possible, which in-turn means you agree they have no basis to reimburse or refund you on.



TL;DR: summed it up perfectly. (Also, thank you.)

what its all comes down to that you accept them doing the letter of the law. instead of the spirit of the law.. your siding with the jackholes that are robbing us blind. instead of fighting against them... following the letter of the law instead of the spirit of it is equal to saying;; IM JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS. which didnt work at Nuremberg and still isnt working at the hagua... its just that simple are you one of them?? or you one of us.

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I already suggested contacting IMVU directly about a reimbursement if you feel so strongly - something you seem to oppose and already suggested wouldn't be possible, which in-turn means you agree they have no basis to reimburse or refund you on.

I have done 5 help tickets about the music shop . after a few weeks of shooting sunshine up my hershey highway with bs about there working on it and to be patience... they CLOSED ! MY TICKETS. simply stopped trying to do anything about it. I HAVE ASKED BEGGED AND DEMANDED! for a refund of some kind or them to restore the music store. im not raging with out good reason. and yes i rather have my music back then the over 3000000 creds they owe me. i know i couldnt get it all back maybe 25%- 30% of it. and it will probaly be promo creds at that. i just want whats MINE!

nightmarechild wrote:

what its all comes down to that you accept them doing the letter of the law. instead of the spirit of the law.. your siding with the jackholes that are robbing us blind. instead of fighting against them... following the letter of the law instead of the spirit of it is equal to saying;; IM JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS. which didnt work at Nuremberg and still isnt working at the hagua... its just that simple are you one of them?? or you one of us.-- Wed Apr 30, 2025 12:26 pm --@Auspicious K-- Wed Apr 30, 2025 12:27 pm --@Locker-- Wed Apr 30, 2025 1:48 pm --@Auspicious K I already suggested contacting IMVU directly about a reimbursement if you feel so strongly - something you seem to oppose and already suggested wouldn't be possible, which in-turn means you agree they have no basis to reimburse or refund you on.I have done 5 help tickets about the music shop . after a few weeks of shooting sunshine up my hershey highway with bs about there working on it and to be patience... theyCLOSED ! MY TICKETS. simply stopped trying to do anything about it. I HAVE ASKED BEGGED AND DEMANDED! for a refund of some kind or them to restore the music store. im not raging with out good reason.and yes i rather have my music back then the over 3000000 creds they owe me. i know i couldnt get it all back maybe 25%- 30% of it. and it will probaly be promo creds at that. i just want whats MINE!

I don't know why you keep struggling to understand that me, you and are 100% on the same side here. The three of us heavily criticized the business model and the three of us agree that it's a anti consumer practice.

What we are trying to tell you is that they are the seller, and they are the ones that make the terms of the sale. The only way to fight back is to not play by their rules by voting with your wallet and not give any money to support this anti consumer practice.

or we dont accept there actions complain fight back demand they do better even start a class action suit against them.. but not just accept that they can steal from us whenever they want. hell call the BBB.. JUST DONT BEND OVER AND TAKE IT ! like you two seem to be doing .. is that clear anuff?

nightmarechild wrote:

@Locker or we dont accept there actions complainfight back demand they do better even start a class action suit against them..but not just accept that they can steal from us whenever they want. hell call the BBB.. JUST DONT BEND OVER AND TAKE IT ! like you two seem to be doing ..is that clear anuff?

But that's exactly what I was saying, you by not buying from them is one of the most effective and time efficient ways to show that you don't accept the actions of what they are doing. They can't steal from you if you don't purchase a license from them to begin with.

Sure, you can go to the lawsuit route, but lawsuits take a lot of money and energy to a point that it's not worth it for the average person to do it.